In the latest episode of After Order, a podcast series from Alameda in collaboration with Macrodose, — host James Meadway is joined by Juliano Fiori to reflect on the central premise of the series so far: that we are not living through an “interregnum”, but through a period of sustained disorder.

Drawing on his own work, Juliano argues that what we came to understand as “order” was inseparable from the material foundations of US hegemony after the Second World War — first through industrial expansion, and then through control over global trade and finance.

The conversation explores how the decline of that system is reshaping global politics, and why assumptions that a new order will naturally emerge may underestimate the depth of the current rupture.

From the waning dominance of the dollar to escalating geopolitical tensions, the episode asks what forms of power might define the coming period: the continued rise of China, competing regional blocs, or a world marked by dominance without hegemony.

Which raises a broader question: if the material basis of what we once called “order” is breaking down, what comes next?

You can listen on Spotify or watch on YouTube.